I (T) and No. II bayonets from 19421944. 1 Mk III or III*, with the original MLE and LEC becoming obsolete along with the earlier SMLE models. Call us toll free: +1 888-744-0066. UKSkennerton's Arms and Militaria Press. Hosted by Andy H. Gruff, I don't know but will check mine when I get home tonight and report in if it is on mine. II made at LongBranch in Canada. No.4 MK1 Buttplate With Trap LE4045 $9.00 1 review (s) Lee Enfield # 1 MK 3 Canvas Rifle Cover (Case) With Sling Carry Strap, WWII Pattern LE3092 Made from heavy canvas material, this gun case was used for the Enfield #1 MKIII and #1 MKIV rifles. Mazak is, by far, the most common, followed by blued steel. Hey guys, I just recently was given by my boss a Lee Enfield NO.4 MK1 303 British that I am trying to gather all the info about. Interesting feedback, here are all other markings that I can find. III was declared obsolete in 1946. Upon firing the wood instantly fractured and burns resulted, and although serious injury was possible, the owner was lucky this time. Sujets similaires by Steve Hoog 22 Mar 2012, 20:21, Post This example was made in the USA by the Savage Stevens Co. of Chicopee Falls, Massachusetts. N30 (pictured at left) The following maker marks are pictured at left: This scabbard is pictured on page 133 of Graham Priests book, Spirit of the Pike - British Socket Bayonets of the 20th Century. According to the author, the example in my collection is still the only brass-throated scabbard reported. long by 1.75in. Bayonet 1 Rifle in 1926that had served with . This updated and expanded edition also has a ready model identification chapter and colour plates. The Indians did us no favors scrubbing & remarking as they did. 4) Several arrow looking things located all over the rifle Only 75,000 of this type were made. $15.50. I was recently asked to demo how to attach the web sling and its cousin the 1907 leather sling to an No4T for use in the field or range. Four mouthpiece materials have been documented: Zinc Alloy (Mazak), Steel, Aluminum, and brass. From 1943 onwards, Singer bayonets bore their dispersal code, N67. Singer produced 1,141,782 No. Lewisham marked their bayonets with "L. ENG. Sheffield Steel Products of Sheffield, Yorkshire. The United Kingdom & its Empire and Commonwealth 1919-45, Life in the Third Reich & Weimar Republic, Kriegsmarine surface ships and Kriegsmarine in general, Luftwaffe air units and Luftwaffe in general, German Strategy & General German Military Discussion, NSDAP, other party organizations & Government, The Dieter Zinke Axis Biographical Research Section, The Ron Klages Panzer & other vehicles Section, Panzer & other vehicles - Photo threads, Axis Documents, Feldpost numbers, Postcards & Other Paper Items, The United Kingdom & its Empire and Commonwealth 1919-45, The Allies and the Neutral States in general, German Colonies and Overseas Expeditions, The end of the Ottoman Empire 1908-1923, Translation help: Breaking the Sound Barrier, http://www.rifleman.org.uk/Dating%20your%20rifle.htm, http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsfo opic/38127. 772 0 obj<>stream The following illustrates the four bayonet and scabbard types that were mass produced; and some unusual variants that I have acquired. It was thought that these may have been used by Australian units serving alongside the British Army, however, Australian issue of these bayonets has not been confirmed. The real loop is similarly for adjusting tautness from the biceps to the butt sling of the rifle when in the firing shoulder "pocket". on Oct 26, 2019. . Scabbard makers included: This uncommon scabbard has parallel sides and is made of very lightweight steel tubing. Lee Enfield No4 Mk1 T Sniper Rifle (reproduction). When these rifles were refurbished in the factory, they were given a second black oxidizing or they were painted with a matte or semigloss black paint in the spots where the original finish had worn off. Savage rear micrometer sights have some unique machining features in the battle peep - which will be missing on the T format versions. Here we have a scopeless and virtually unfired 1944 No4T on the left and two heavily reworked "sportster" T's (the middle professionally done by Sante Fe) and an American surplus "bubba" on the right. The finish varies considerably between manufacturers, with Baird bayonets approaching the excellent finish of the No. It retains the 10 round box detachable magazine, however the largest change to the rifle was the addition of a rear aperture sight. The British No. Springfield Model 1795 Type IV Musket with State of New York Markings, US$1,600. N30 over H&B (pictured at left). Here is a simple shadow board depicting the 4 most common Enfields. These included ROF Fazakerley, BSA, and ROF Maltby. 4 bayonet. Places that will have the serial information is on the bolt, receiver and normally the barrel. 5 S.D. British No4 rifles were set up with a 5 digit serial number system with 1XXXX being allotted to Maltby, 2XXXX Fazakerley, 3XXXX BSA Shirley. Method: 1 Any stock of the P14 cheek pieces would have been transferred to the 4T program - first built by Enfield Lock and then by Hollands - it is not clear when these transitioned to new made cheek pieces. But it also has a the LB and a Canadian broad arrow so I'm just a little confused thanks for any help. BO 12151 (the five digit no. II bayonet re-packaged in 1963 cardboard carton. .303 isn't any different that anything else. If you liked this information and want to learn more, this volume is an excellent resource. Enfield Rifle For Sale. The securing tab retained the No. These war time sling swivels were made by Hollands and are typically browned steel. The M47C is typical, as is the date and TR mark. broad arrow proofmark 1943" over "CAT. 4Mk. Lee Enfield #4 MK1 - MARSTAR CANADA. It does appear to have been sent thru a re-furbishing and re-build at some time in its life by all the markings not made by Savage. These rifles can often be identified by the stacking hook welded to the upper band. The pictures at left illustrate some of the forging marks. Recent research by Graham Priest determined that "TRM.1", "TRM.2", and "TRM 3" identify the Tinsley Rolling Mills Co. Ltd. of Sheffield. Thank you for the welcome. Where did the replacement Micrometer sights come from? 4Mk. The schools were also populated by inter-bellum target shooters who had already experienced the Parker Hale and other specialist center / front trigger guard screw replacement sling swivels and various format canvas / webbing slings. II*, with approximately 84,566 reported produced from 19431945. be forewarned, Spike Fever is contagious! The rifle pictured here is a No. Thanks to inter-war development, an improved and simplified design was waiting in the wings, and the No. Here's a picture of a maltby 1943 with a similar 'M' as yours, before the 1943: The leather belt frog is of unknown origin. 4Mk. by Saxon Cross 22 Mar 2012, 21:45, Post 5 Mk I (for example, Savage or He does mention the stylised 'M' is rare compared to the other factory markings encountered. 5 carbines have ONLY four digit serial numbers. 4 Mk. Socket: "No 4 Mk II" over "S" and "B 75" over "1455". It is essentially an updated N0. The socket was forged by Viners Ltd. Go to. 0000001927 00000 n It is a bolt action repeating rifle with a 10 round box magazine and free floating barrel, and is chambered for the venerable Mk.VII ammunition in .303 caliber. 4 Rifle," appeared originally in the April 2004 issue of American Rifleman. " gh" over "1 9 h". The bayonet and socket were one solid forging. The Savage-Stevens Co. of Chicopee Falls, Massachusetts, made approximately 1.25million No. The entrenching tool was made by William Hunt & Sons, The Brades Ltd., Brades Steel Works, Oldbury, near Birmingham. They would apply this mark to th butt heel - running along the axis of the rifle - red with the muzzle on the left. As the war drew to a close the field feedback resulted in a prototype webbing target style sling being trialed (made by MECo). Founded in 1999. Feb 9, 2020. In practice and service, the size, position and shape of the cheekpiece was altered to suite the needs of the snipe that the rifle was designated for - these are an interesting study within themselves. 4 MK. $799.00 . Pattern 1907 Bayonet over stamped 8 (1908) Wilkingson . A specific chapter in the new 'Lee-Enfield Rifles' update of the 1992 'Lee-Enfield Story' is devoted to Serial Numbers. Batch No: 4 spike bayonets used by Turkey. 4Mk. These come for the Lee-Enfield No.4 MK1. Other Components - By studying the few untouched (scopeless) No4Ts we can see which other No4T components came from other supplies to the BSA factory from 1941 to 1945. Prince-Smith used four different markings: Howard & Bullough Co. of Accrington, Lancashire, was one of the smaller makers of the No. Barrel is 24 inch, five groove 1:10 right hand rifling. It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice! An example would be: rifle serial number 52C2689 would be the 522,689th rifle produced by Savage Stevens. 4 Mk. I have encountered some post-war (commercial?) Lee-Enfield No. 4 Mk. The No. 4 Mk I Long Branch aperture sights In 1926, the British Army changed its nomenclature; the SMLE became known as the Rifle No. 0000000016 00000 n What makes this particular Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.2 an 'obscure' object of desire: it's in abso-fricking-lutely 100% condition. Production occurred during the latter half of 1941 and into the early months of 1942. 4 Mk. The maker is unknown, but is believed to be Belgian. 0000004885 00000 n In the British war time contract scheme there were 2 phases of demarcation - early / pre-war marks, and later regionalized contractor codes, For mid 1943 and down you are seeking the early war markings from Singer (SM), after that seek the regional producer code (S69 - for Southern region, 69th contractor). <]>> They remained in use with select weapon platforms - the P14T / No3T as its name was changed) through to WW2. Seen in the picture above are the places where the serial number and manufacturer can be found. With the exception of Russia, socket bayonets had long gone out of fashion in modern armies. Nearly 5 million spike bayonets were reported produced. not 8.8 Barrel length is 25 1/4 inches, not 25 2 inches GI#: 102214907. Entrenching tool with helve (handle) that accepts the No. If it has a lateral screw through the back of the forend, it is either a post war production Mk.2, or an earlier mark that has been rebuilt. by The_Enigma 30 Mar 2012, 09:13, Return to The United Kingdom & its Empire and Commonwealth 1919-45, Discussions on all aspects of the The United Kingdom & its Empire and Commonwealth during the Inter-War era and Second World War. 1 various markings. Feedback from the initial service performance at the front (often from prior experienced target shooters) indicated that longer slings with a central mount at the front of the magazine would be preferred. Very good 5 groove barrel. Of the rifles I have examined this appears 1 in 10 or so times on real rifles - applicable to 1943 to 1946 production. The tooling is rough, the bayonet is little more than a . The period of manufacture is believed to be late-1940s or early-1950s. This CFTO is for identification purposes only and is not an authority to procure parts. There were basic diagrams and instructions in the various Sniping training pamphlets, however I wanted to add a little more description and variation (with photos. 3. 2" over "Bg" over Crown-JF proofmark over "5171". Although touted as having many advantages over the Pattern 1907, the No. Before the war, Prince-Smith was a manufacturer of machinery for making woolen textiles. Many Baird examples have a crowned IG mark on the socket. xref Lee Enfield No4 Mk* Long Branch 1944 - SOLD No4 Mk1 Fazakerley 1944 Serial KC25154 - Sold No4 Mk1 Maltby 1942 Serial M10655 - Sold No4 Mk1* Sterling 7.62mm Conversion - Sold AIA Lee Enfield M10-A1 Cal: 7.62x39mm - Sold Long Branch No4 Mk1* 1950 - Long Butt - SOLD No4 Mk1 7.62mm - SOLD No4 Mk1 BSA 1942 - Sold No4 Mk1 Fazakerley 1942 - Sold The No. Similarly Savage rifles that are genuine and completed to a fully scoped "T" are rare and early. 4 bayonet is coated with PX4mineral oil (grease), in a green waxed "primary pack" wrapper. These codes may be found on various wartime small arms manufactured in Nazi-occupied Europe during WW2. Sheffield Steel Products produced approximately 670,000 Mk. Weight fully loaded with sling was eight pounds even and overall length a handy 39.5 inches. 4 Mk. Prior to the Great War (World War One, WWI, 1914-1919), the Short, Magazine, Lee-Enfield (SMLE) left the factory with a buttstock marking disc, a small, removable piece of brass inletted into the right side of the buttstock; a place for the Unit Armourer to stamp a unit identification. I will have to check through Skennerton tonight. Don(B3)RAOC Primary Pack. These came together as you see them; bayonet and sheath have "4" painted on. No4 mk1 is stamped on the side of the reciever. Markings: The left side of the stock collar is marked "14C2827 / S /1942" and with a flaming bomb proof. 2018 at 7:33am: he! The serial number is DA22567A, above the serial number it says NO.4 MK1 F (FTR) that is all the markings I can really see on the gun and I was wondering what year the rifle was made, the model it is, & how much it is . by verdenpark 23 Mar 2012, 07:54, Post Markings on Lee Enfield rifles No4 serial numbers too. How to Use Classifieds - PLEASE READ FIRST ! You can build more Battery Ammo and .303 at the Chem bench. trailer S51 was already the war time production code for Holland and Holland - there were to make components under this code as well as convert No4 rifles tot he new T specification beginning in early 1942. The little safety spring has a Long Branch stamp,the front sight protector was made by the Singer Sewing Machine Co.,the magazine follower was made by Savage. 0000007555 00000 n In 1943, Prince-Smith was assigned the dispersal code N56. After wrapping the point, this bayonet would have been oiled and sealed in clear plastic. BRITISH or CANADIAN WWII ENFIELD SLING or BREN used cond. 1 Mk3 mark III SMLE No4 Mk1 1917 British Parts Lot S at the best online prices at eBay! Socket (right): #6. It is probably a 2 groove barrel, most Savage No4`s were, but it shoots very well for what it was intended.Robert. 5 mm. These rifles have not been available in original condition for decades. Length: approximately 44 inches, Barrel Length: approximately 25 inches. So BSA Shirley, that produced the No4 rifles was designated "M47C" (Midlands region, sequential supplier no 47, factory C). Re: Lee Enfeild No 4 Mk1 Markings by Saxon Cross 23 Mar 2012, 13:50 Your serial No. This mark sometimes appears alone and sometimes with another forging contractors mark, which suggests that Tinsley supplied steel to several of the socket forging contractors. The M47C is typical, as is the date and TR mark. 0000004628 00000 n In the British war time contract scheme there were 2 phases of demarcation - early / pre-war marks, and later regionalized contractor codes, For mid 1943 and down you are seeking the early war markings from Singer (SM), after that seek the regional producer code (S69 - for Southern region, 69th contractor). Seen in the picture above are the normal spots to find the serial number and manufacturers information on the No4 and the No5 rifle. The last year observed on these sights using the SM mark is 1943 as per the right hand example, then the S69 code is used - again on major components (sight ladder (top left of the face), cursor (left side), elevation screw (top) and elevations screw nut (back). by gruff27 22 Mar 2012, 20:09, Post AA was webbing. This Mk. These were the last No. Danish Lee Enfield No4 Mk1 Green Canvas Sling HTK. 0000003043 00000 n They did not add the serial number of the rifle to the second butt stock edge, nor the S51 mark to the wrist - this Hollands work is not recognized as required for continued service in those parts. No4 rifles were given a starting number that may be used to identify manufacturers, but again there was no set serial blocks. Prior to obtaining independence in 1946, Jordan was a British Protectorate, known as Transjordan. That accepts the No issue of American Rifleman. into the early months of 1942 Bg '' over Crown-JF proofmark ``... 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